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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh my it's

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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and now for another exciting interview

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with Errol experts in this world and

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others here's your host paranormal

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researcher Patricia Baker on the one the

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welcome everyone to another exciting

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episode of Supernatural girls radio

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I'm your host Patricia Baker and I am

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here with my lovely co-host all the way

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from Tucson

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Patricia Kirkman pique how are you

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tonight absolutely fabulous we had such

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that's okay it's going to start reading

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on Sunday and then it'll cool down after

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that but I have enjoyed every minute of

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this you deserve that's good nice thank

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you some weather we both had a great

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Thanksgiving everyday we were able to

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have some good food put our feet up and

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relax a little bit we had a great

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pre-recorded show last week that I RN is

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kind enough to air for us with Robert

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Abbott ello and talked all about the

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alternative medicine way to go with Lyme

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and autoimmune it's a great amount of

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variation show yes well quite a few my

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enjoyed it good good good well we posted

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the link in case you missed it and you

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can also eventually in the next week or

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so we'll have it up on our archives you

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can listen to it there or on the IR n

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archives so it will be available and

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we've got a big lineup coming your way

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in December but tonight we have a very

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special guest who we love we'd love the

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sky don't we yes they do oh he writes

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about all the stuff we love and tonight

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we're talking about his new book

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shapeshifters morphing monsters and

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changing cryptids we both know he is

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beautiful copy for displaying it to

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y'all right now yes it is a great book

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it's a great read well he's got these

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stories here I've never even heard of I

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mean I can't wait to get him on the air

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and talk about all this stuff but it's

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remarkable he's done a tremendous amount

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of research mmm he really did dig deep

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and he

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came with some incredible stuff so we're

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gonna have him share all of this with

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all of us tonight

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but first we got to check in we've got

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some wedding plan news right you were

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looking yes we do future newlyweds well

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the nice thing about it is I took a look

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at her real name is Rachel Megan Markel

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so I took a look at her overall very

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balanced young lady she really does

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she's learning how to deal with family

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type situations and that makes sense

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considering her family's dynamics when

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she was growing up

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the mother father's divorced separations

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and such so she's there to learn how to

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work it better but she has had the

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marriage earlier married a person in

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their seven year which says forget it

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you really don't know what you're doing

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and divorced it or nine years said I got

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but her situation with Prince Harry

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timing is perfect for both of them

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because she is in her - he going into

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the six thousand six or when

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relationships are made and they have a

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very good combination between the two of

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them both of them are very caring very

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outgoing that also very helpful people

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he's more headstrong than she is both of

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them are extremely flexible he's a

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little more anal than she is believe it

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or not which surprised me because he's

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such a what would we call a spirit yes

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he's been very much a free spirit but he

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works it in a different way so it was

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very interesting looking at the two of

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them so it's going to be interesting

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because I think that they will be not

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equally so as William and Kate maybe

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more so than William is Kate when it

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comes to working with the population no

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kidding well that's wish them the best

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they haven't been accused of being

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shapeshifters like really not yeah so

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that's very interesting now paranormal

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news we have an article on our Facebook

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page be sure to go there like us and

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follow us you can catch all this news I

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have all kinds of stuff for all of us to

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look at but the story that really caught

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my eye was the one about John Lennon now

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did that surprise you

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at my that really happy yes now your he

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was it he's in his house in the middle

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of the night these aliens come into his

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room and he has this interaction with

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them as far as he can tell then he wakes

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up in the morning and he's got something

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mm-hmm got a golden metal looking egg in

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his hand that they gave him now we have

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had Uri Geller on our show right and URI

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talked to John about this apparently

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interviewed John about this and John

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told him all the details of the events

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and what happened and he said Yoko

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believed him that she felt this for him

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really happened but he knew what really

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happened because he had this thing in

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his hand yeah but he pulls it out of his

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pocket and he gives it to uri geller

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and he says i don't want this thing it

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could be a ticket to another world I'm

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not interested you take it now what I

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find interesting is uri geller is still

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alive John Lennon isn't I wonder was

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that egg given to him to protect him oh

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that could very well have been there are

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little mind you know and I was wondering

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about that nice Wow

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you know maybe he gave away something

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that wasn't meant to be given away hmm

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sometimes just something to think about

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doesn't it ya know well yeah I mean they

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don't give things lightly that's for

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sure these Nellie it's very rarely do

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you hear them having physically given

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anything yeah they take but they don't

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have to give well it was like like Yoko

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rely to her because she kind of looked

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at him kind of strangely but she knew

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that he would never tell her anything

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other than the truth so that was another

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thing some as well was it on drugs no it

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was he was on top of the covers

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afterwards mm-hmm yeah so Rhys I was

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shocked reading that story yet it was

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very intrigued by it that's on our

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Facebook page everybody you can go and

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read it for yourself

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it's it's very interesting and then of

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all across yeah some people are saying

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it's seismic shifts and other people

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saying we don't know what the hell it is

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but it's scaring us so we don't know

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what it is is this the trumpet Gabriel

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strumpet giving us a warning I don't

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know well especially with South Korea

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having to put up what North Korea is

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doing yeah I feel sorry for them because

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they're in such a vulnerable position

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upon and we are now to by the way yes I

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was kind of hoping Nast you know I wish

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the people in power would take a look

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and quit playing with their trigger

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too many but yeah this is going into

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from yellow alert to Red Alert so

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anyways we all need to keep saying

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prayers and asking for help from the

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other side of the universe and also you

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help us out to that we're gonna be

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talking about they need to get useful

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don't you think they probably are more

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so than we're aware of because I'll tell

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you what if somebody was acting out and

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a few of them stood up in front of them

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that would quiet him down to her you

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know it might work yes I think it would

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work quite well I wonder if we could

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send a couple of them in on a little

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journey to North Korea I think what if

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yes they could take over and it would be

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so definitely Jeff let's talk about Nick

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because he is a stellar guest we've had

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on the show before it's always just a

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delightful evening so he is the author

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than 30 books on UFOs and cryptozoology

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including monster files memoirs of a

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monster hunter the real men in black and

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he has appeared on more than 70

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television shows including the sci-fi

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channels proof positive and the History

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Channel's ancient aliens I saw Nick on

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ancient aliens he did a great job and

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now he's with us we are so blessed so

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oh we're great having you so happy to

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have you here so this this book is great

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we highly recommend it to everybody we

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couldn't put it down I mean there's this

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story after this is like having a

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nutrient dense meal because there's so

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much going on in this book

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definitely definitely a treasure trove

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oh it is and you start out now with

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werewolf so one of my favorite favorite

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topics so let's start there now any

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recent werewolf stories I mean a lot of

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these are from days of old but has there

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reports that some researchers think fall

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into the werewolf category but today

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that people refer to them as dog men

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politically correct term for werewolf

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you know the idea that you'd start

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talking about werewolves people kind of

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roll their eyes you know if you talk

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about the dying man as a phenomena it's

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a little bit different because the

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people describe this thing that he for

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all intents and purposes sounds like a

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werewolf we're talking about like a an

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upright wolf like animal but what's

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interesting is that although the old

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legends talked about you know the whales

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being shapeshifters with the dog man

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phenomenon there's hardly a single

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reports where they've shape-shifted

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people described seen like a very large

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wolf but which has the ability to walk

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legs which does it give it kind of like

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appearance and Linda Godfrey who has

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dog man phenomenon mmm she sort of

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something sort of paranormal maybe multi

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and interdimensional that kind of thing

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and so a lot of controversy surrounding

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things like stories of werewolves and

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dog men purely and simply because most

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people think of werewolves they think of

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Hollywood movies and silver bullets and

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the full moon whereas the reality you

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know it is very different in the sense

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that people report these uprights wolf

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like animals but they don't talk about

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seeing you know a person person out of

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the clothes at a full moon or whatever

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folklore or what people actually report

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so dog man doesn't morph into a human

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form dog man is just dog man yeah some

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people think you know the Wunderland or

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speculate on the idea could they be like

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prehistoric wolves now there were some

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walls which became extinct thousands and

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thousands of years ago one known as the

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dire wolf and the Bing rumors of people

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seeing these huge dire wolves right to

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the present day and they may still exist

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now they didn't have the ability to rear

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up on their hind legs but some animals

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do life is a classic example would be a

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grizzly bear you know they run on all

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fours but they will stand up on their

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back legs and they will walk along you

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know and so some people think that the

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could there be sort of ancient type of

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wolf still exist in in the United States

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which if you feel threatened or if it

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wants to intimidate or frighten a person

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it rears up on its hind legs now there

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is not I should I should stress you know

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there isn't an example we can say that

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that is provable but that's one of the

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theories that's been put forward that

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there perhaps you know as I said like a

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grizzly bear they can briefly rear up on

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their back legs and if you saw them

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if you

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saw them briefly you know late at night

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in the shadows teetering on their back

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legs and he's got this sort of long

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muzzle and pointed ears you might just

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think you've seen a real werewolf rather

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than perhaps you know an unusual type of

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wolf that we haven't classified properly

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yet that's interesting now and there is

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a show I'm you may have heard of it

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called paranormal witness it's actually

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produced by people from the UK and they

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had a show it was a reenactment actually

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of something that occurred out in the

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western part of the United States where

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these people tracked this man who had

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shown up at their the back door looking

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like very wolf like and they tracked him

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through the snow to a small cabin and he

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wasn't there but what was there was a

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room with scratches on the wall and

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chains on the wall just like you would

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expect somebody who was changing and

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aware into werewolf and wants to control

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himself would have in their house there

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was nothing else in the house there was

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no food there was nothing else but they

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tracked him there and he had very weird

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looking eyes he did have a job in an

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auto shop but he lived alone he had no

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friends and again you know people had

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seen him outside their homes looking

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very wolf-like and then to find this in

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his house he died eventually and the

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police went into the house and they

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found the same thing these guys had

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found so it is entirely possible that

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there are still werewolves right yeah I

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mean one of the cases that I cover in

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the book it's not it's not completely up

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today but it's actually not sort of like

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most people think you know the 1700's

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and 1800's there was actually a very

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famous wave of sightings in 19 the

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summer of 1972 in the Ohio town of

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defiance yes yeah now if you google

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Defiance Ohio where will

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1972 you'll see a lot of stories and

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what happened with a number of guys who

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were working on the railroad the

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railroad runs through the town itself

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though doing shift works and one of the

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guys from the early hours of the morning

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saw this upright figure thought it was a

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man at first then realized the clothes

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were kind of tattered

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and instead I'm the regular head and

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face he had he had a head like a German

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Shepherd and obviously you know he fled

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the scene immediately but there are

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seven or eight examples where the the

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railroad workers have seen this creature

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prowling around and then interesting

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enough kind of similar to the story that

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you just mentioned people to herd these

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scrapings and scratching noise on their

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front door in the early hours of the

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morning and even the local police got

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involved and they took it seriously

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because they actually opened a file an

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official file to investigate these cases

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and these reports and and they you know

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they stayed up through the night and you

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know sort of patrolled the area so it's

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taken very very seriously and even the

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local press didn't laugh at it because

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they realized that people have seen

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something at least and the police are

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involved and the railroad stuff and you

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know these weren't anonymous sources it

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couldn't be tracked down these would be

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no local people in town that everybody

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knew so it was really for about six

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weeks it was almost like a like a state

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of fear descended on defiance purely and

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simply because of these sort of weird

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werewolf type encounters that's it was a

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great story in the book and and I was

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surprised to see that it happened in 72

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as you mentioned it's a much more

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current and again I think that there may

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be other stories like this but when you

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go to find these stories how do you find

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them I mean do people just come to you

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or do you go digging for them how do you

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find them well it's a bit of both really

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I mean very often you know I like to do

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research and investigate things so

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sometimes you know I'll go out and look

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you know for these for these cases and

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witnesses and you know travel around but

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other cases you know it is a situation

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where very often people might have been

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you know it's a radio show like tonight

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and then the next day they're like oh

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well that sounds like what I saw so then

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they'll you know the email me or send me

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a Facebook message so you know that does

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actually make it a lot easier because

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people do you know share their story

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which obvious you know I'm grateful in

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place for because without the witnesses

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we've got nothing to go on you know the

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witnesses are always the most important

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people in these cases because without

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the witnesses and without them coming

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forward we've got nothing to go on so so

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I do get a lot of people contact me

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about their experiences you know and

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then I chat with them if they're willing

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to chat and talk and you know so as I

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said that does make it easier and also

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you know you become a good judge of

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character you get to know the people and

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you know understand them etc so it's not

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just a matter of sort of collecting the

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stories it's it's sort of gaining the

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trust of the witness as well you know

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when they realize they're not going to

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be laughed at or whatever that's an

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important part of that that you take

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them seriously so I'd imagine again with

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your reputation it precedes you they do

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feel comfortable talking to you about

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these things so thank goodness for that

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now I have a question for you from the

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chat room this is from shimmering lights

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who's saying hi Nick what is the oldest

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story with werewolf sightings

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well the oldest one I mean you go well

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you can actually go back thousands of

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years and you can find throughout

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numerous cultures where they had like

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dog headed gods or warm heavy gods I

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mean a perfect example would be Anubis

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you know the Egyptian God which is very

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much sort of doglike but of course the

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big question is should we interpret

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those as werewolves or is it something

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that's completely different

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but what in terms of sort of definitive

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werewolf type store is the earliest that

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I personally investigated occurred about

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1100 years ago in England and in a

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little town called flicks turn and there

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was a story there of like a magician

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type character who supposedly had the

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ability to transform himself into a wolf

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so that's like a classic example that's

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that's very very old now it didn't have

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this sort of the issues of the full moon

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and all that kind of thing but it was

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you know in essence like shape-shifting

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now stories of shapeshifters do go back

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thousands of years you know where people

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believed they could take on different

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forms and you know sort of rampage

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around the woods etc in classic fashion

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but that's the earliest one I've looked

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into but but it is important to know

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that sort of dog headed creatures or

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entities do play big roles in in ancient

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religions yes they do that's absolutely

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true and well let's let's go forward in

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your book I the heads can you talk to us

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about the heads those two heads the kids

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dug up that was a wild one Wow well

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funnily enough that was also 1972 which

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was the year of the defiance werewolf

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but be the case here talking about to

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become it's an English case in north of

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England called the hexam heads and hexam

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is a little town in the north of England

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and basically what happens to young boys

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in the school holidays just playing

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outside in the backyard and they decide

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to you know just dig around in holes and

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while they were playing you know and

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they found these two strange carved

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heads which were sort of made out of

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stone about the size of like a tennis

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ball something like that and one looked

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to be carved in the face of like a male

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figure and the other one female and they

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thought it was just you know cool little

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carved stones and and so contact was

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made we sort of like local archaeologist

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people like that and the press soon got

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onto the story and then it was actually

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confirmed that these were sort of Celtic

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origin you know going back thousands of

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years and they may have been used in

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some fertility rites or sacrificial

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rites that kind of thing but everybody

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who handled the stone heads got a really

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weird vibe from them you know kind of an

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unsettling look on the face where people

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almost felt like the stones were alive

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somehow

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what specifically weird is that whenever

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anybody would take them into their home

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strange things would happen now one of

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them was a woman named dr. Ann Ross and

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she was an expert in Celtic history and

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Celtic archaeology you know Gaia

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thousands of years in Scotland and

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Ireland places like that and when she

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took these her stones and hexam's heads

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into her house she woke up on the first

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night in the middle of the night to see

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this upright wolf-like creature looming

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over the bed

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she says she woke up it's sort of raced

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out the room and leaves it like a to

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floor house he bounded over the

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staircase and ran down the staircase and

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out the door

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various other people who also over the

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years had access to the heads reporting

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very similar things they'd wake up in

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the night again say this wolf like thing

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looking at them and it was as if

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actually sort of possessing the head

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somehow manifested these almost like a

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supernatural type of a werewolf you know

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not a physical creature as such but more

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more like a phantom but looking like a

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werewolf which you know they would

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vanish and appear and vanish and appear

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and so on and over the years various

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researchers looked after the heads and

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most of them were just wanted gone of

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I bury them but today nobody knows where

544
00:25:35,729 --> 00:25:32,679
the originals are a few copies are made

545
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:35,739
which are in various people's hands but

546
00:25:40,229 --> 00:25:37,570
we don't know where the originals are

547
00:25:43,169 --> 00:25:40,239
but I mean the boys today they're sort

548
00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:43,179
of sort of mid to late 50s now something

549
00:25:49,619 --> 00:25:47,470
like that and you know they've since

550
00:25:51,239 --> 00:25:49,629
come forward but he he was covered in

551
00:25:53,369 --> 00:25:51,249
the newspapers at the time but then he

552
00:25:55,529 --> 00:25:53,379
got forgotten about and then we picked

553
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:55,539
up years later but that's sort of a like

554
00:26:00,389 --> 00:25:57,779
I said a spooky story these sort of old

555
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:00,399
carved heads which people got this sort

556
00:26:06,899 --> 00:26:03,690
of really creepy feeling from you know

557
00:26:08,999 --> 00:26:06,909
yeah and it allowed these things to to

558
00:26:11,369 --> 00:26:09,009
come through like that big wolf creature

559
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:11,379
on two legs it sounds like that was

560
00:26:15,899 --> 00:26:13,809
connected to it yeah I think that's

561
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:15,909
actually part of the story the idea that

562
00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:18,609
you know you take them in the home and

563
00:26:24,539 --> 00:26:21,460
it's almost as if you open a door I kind

564
00:26:27,149 --> 00:26:24,549
of similar to somebody using like a

565
00:26:29,549 --> 00:26:27,159
wager board you know you you open a

566
00:26:32,849 --> 00:26:29,559
portal or a doorway and I think that's

567
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:32,859
what happened with the hexam heads that

568
00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:38,340
somehow just possessing them allowed

569
00:26:43,049 --> 00:26:41,320
this phenomenon if you like of these

570
00:26:44,399 --> 00:26:43,059
wolf headed figures you'd allowed them

571
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:44,409
to come through you know it was almost

572
00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:47,609
like a permission kind of thing exactly

573
00:26:52,619 --> 00:26:50,440
exactly well what a strange story that

574
00:26:54,509 --> 00:26:52,629
was I learned that one that's great

575
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,519
here's another question from the chat

576
00:26:59,599 --> 00:26:56,799
room this is from Cary Remington who's

577
00:27:03,450 --> 00:26:59,609
asking are these shapeshifters first

578
00:27:08,399 --> 00:27:03,460
human who transformed into animals or

579
00:27:12,899 --> 00:27:08,409
animals who become humans that's a good

580
00:27:14,879 --> 00:27:12,909
question because in some cases well it's

581
00:27:16,769 --> 00:27:14,889
hard to say because you don't know what

582
00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:16,779
the original form is you know if some of

583
00:27:22,889 --> 00:27:20,230
these creatures are strange creatures to

584
00:27:24,269 --> 00:27:22,899
begin with but they could take on human

585
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:24,279
form a lot of people don't actually

586
00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:26,169
think of that you know they always think

587
00:27:31,169 --> 00:27:30,700
of a person turning into a werewolf or a

588
00:27:32,369 --> 00:27:31,179
vampire

589
00:27:33,479 --> 00:27:32,379
they don't think of it the other way

590
00:27:35,609 --> 00:27:33,489
around you know which is kind of

591
00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:35,619
interesting that people don't think of

592
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:38,830
it the other way around but there are

593
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:39,730
actually some

594
00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:42,310
which I talk about in the book where but

595
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:44,980
the creature itself never actually took

596
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:50,050
on the form of a person for some cases

597
00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:52,090
where people saw these weird creatures

598
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:53,980
and they morphed into like a ball of

599
00:28:00,360 --> 00:27:57,370
light or the ball of light morphed into

600
00:28:03,690 --> 00:28:00,370
a strange creature so sometimes people

601
00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:03,700
aren't even in the equation you know but

602
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:06,780
for the most part the ones that I've got

603
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:11,050
the I guess the inference is that you

604
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:13,090
know they're people who were able to

605
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:17,410
take on animal form but as I said there

606
00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:19,330
are a few cases it's particularly

607
00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:22,030
something like Native American legends

608
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,580
like where the coyote for examples is

609
00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:26,080
supposedly a shapeshifter

610
00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:30,670
but they could take on human form but

611
00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:34,360
for the most part yeah it is sort of the

612
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:37,990
human turns into the creature gosh it's

613
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:40,450
just there's so many creatures I had no

614
00:28:45,780 --> 00:28:43,720
idea I mean we are familiar with a lot

615
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:45,790
of them but you have mentioned things

616
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:48,130
here we've never heard of so again I

617
00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:50,350
want to highly recommend your book it is

618
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:52,920
shapeshifters morphing monsters and

619
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,410
changing cryptids and for those of you

620
00:29:01,200 --> 00:28:58,240
watching us on video you can see the

621
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625
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626
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627
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you get into it because you can't wait

628
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629
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to be exactly exactly the stories are

630
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great Nick you've done a terrific job so

631
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Redfern and before we share more with

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675
00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:24,430
question Nick for you and this is from

676
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:27,100
Tom Rader who's saying what about

677
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:29,830
shape-shifting into cat-like animals is

678
00:31:36,810 --> 00:31:35,440
that more rare than dogs chapter on in

679
00:31:39,390 --> 00:31:36,820
the book and that they're known as we're

680
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:39,400
cats you know people think of werewolves

681
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:42,130
but they're stories of where cats where

682
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:44,590
Tigers where hyenas all sorts in

683
00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:46,530
different cultures around the world and

684
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:51,460
actually do have several stories of what

685
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:54,310
you call where cats now Africa for

686
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:56,310
example they have long-standing

687
00:32:02,370 --> 00:31:58,570
traditions or what are known as leopard

688
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:02,380
men now in some cases this

689
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:04,990
the the leopard Menace or a symbolic

690
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:07,600
thing where tribal members will sort of

691
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,930
dress up in the form of like a leopard

692
00:32:15,660 --> 00:32:13,360
or a tiger and sometimes you know

693
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:15,670
they'll have the the skin of one the

694
00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:17,880
hide of one of the animals over them and

695
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:21,100
the the imagery becomes part of their

696
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,950
you know their their rituals but there

697
00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:26,320
are other stories of like shamanic

698
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:29,830
people you know in these cultures who

699
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:32,700
claim that they can physically transform

700
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,060
into a sort of a human / cat-like animal

701
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:40,000
now as bizarre as it sounds there are

702
00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:42,460
more than a few of these cases on record

703
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:47,620
I talked about one case in the UK back

704
00:32:53,670 --> 00:32:50,980
in the 1970s in the English county of

705
00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:53,680
Devon where a guy was out walking his

706
00:33:00,030 --> 00:32:58,510
dog and saw this large black cat I guess

707
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:00,040
the closest thing would be something

708
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:01,930
like a like a black leopard you know

709
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:03,250
this was what the size of a mountain

710
00:33:07,530 --> 00:33:05,830
lion which we do get a lot of reports

711
00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:07,540
like this in the UK but there should not

712
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:10,180
be any you know large big cats roaming

713
00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:12,190
around the UK at all them people say

714
00:33:17,490 --> 00:33:14,980
them some of these cases are kind of

715
00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:17,500
weird and in this case the witness said

716
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:20,350
he just kind of stood there stunned for

717
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:21,910
a second he grabbed the dog you know

718
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:25,390
people dog of and then suddenly this

719
00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:28,630
black cat kind of literally morphed and

720
00:33:34,110 --> 00:33:31,180
transformed where its back legs changed

721
00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:34,120
to where it could stand off comfortably

722
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:36,160
on its hind legs and he said he had this

723
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:40,480
its face kind of choked on a semi human

724
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:42,970
look and he kind of laid at him like

725
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:46,210
sneered at him almost and it sort of

726
00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:48,250
really terrified him and he just you

727
00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:50,920
know he just fled the scene and which is

728
00:33:55,770 --> 00:33:52,900
probably probably not a bad thing to do

729
00:33:58,170 --> 00:33:55,780
but but I mean there are a lot of

730
00:34:03,360 --> 00:33:58,180
stories like this I mean I know the one

731
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:03,370
that I talked about scares me in

732
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:05,890
relation to these cases one I've got

733
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:09,760
from from Oregon now this was from a

734
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:11,800
woman named journey through contacted me

735
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:15,510
and she told me how in 2011

736
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:18,659
she saw one of these things literally

737
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:22,110
racing across the road she'd been out

738
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:23,850
with a few friends and where she lived

739
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:26,130
was just around the corner so she walked

740
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:29,010
home and she saw this creature which she

741
00:34:35,060 --> 00:34:31,800
could only describe there's like like a

742
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:35,070
large human-like cat that's the best way

743
00:34:39,350 --> 00:34:36,810
I can describe it's done his hind legs

744
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:39,360
and racing across the road into the

745
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,780
shadows and I mean she was terrified by

746
00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:44,159
it she went you know when she told me

747
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:46,950
the story it was just as clear and as

748
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,710
scary to her as it was when I

749
00:34:55,700 --> 00:34:51,659
interviewed her versus you know when

750
00:34:57,860 --> 00:34:55,710
this occurred back in 2011 but we're cat

751
00:35:00,020 --> 00:34:57,870
stories yeah you can find them all

752
00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:00,030
around the world and one of the things

753
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:02,070
most of the stories have in common if

754
00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:04,500
not all that we all have in common is

755
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:07,100
the angle of these things somehow being

756
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,380
evil people's actually say they kind of

757
00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:12,960
get a sense of evil from them you know

758
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:15,060
kind of that feeling when you meet

759
00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:17,610
someone for the first time and you've

760
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:18,750
never met and we don't know anything

761
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:20,310
about it but you get a weird vibe from

762
00:35:24,140 --> 00:35:22,050
them you know something you don't like

763
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,150
about the person we've all done that

764
00:35:29,050 --> 00:35:26,400
from sides of type yeah you imagine that

765
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:29,060
kind of imagine that sort of magnified

766
00:35:34,570 --> 00:35:32,460
in relation to failure you know that's

767
00:35:37,610 --> 00:35:34,580
that's what most people say they just

768
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:37,620
sensed a feeling of fear but they just

769
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:39,240
didn't know why wasn't just the fact

770
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:41,850
that it looked weird and creepy it was

771
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:50,000
evilness in in all the collections of

772
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,630
these stories and interviewing people

773
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:54,240
have you ever come across anybody who

774
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:56,610
was able to get past their fear in the

775
00:36:01,280 --> 00:35:59,010
shock of seeing something so strange

776
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:01,290
that was able to kind of take a breath

777
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:06,660
and try to communicate with it the only

778
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,690
one I can think of was in relation to

779
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:11,280
one of these large black cats no it

780
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:12,660
doesn't relate to actually the

781
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,240
shape-shifting angle but I did speak to

782
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:17,880
a guy once who was actually funnily

783
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:20,690
enough out walking his dog again and

784
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:26,490
everybody walks their dog running but he

785
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:29,370
told me how walking by an old canal

786
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:32,670
and suddenly this large black cat came

787
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:34,410
round the corner and he said he was so

788
00:36:46,850 --> 00:36:37,890
stunned he didn't know at Regis he said

789
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:46,860
hello to that position you don't really

790
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:48,570
know what you were doing he just kind of

791
00:36:54,860 --> 00:36:50,310
like stopped you know I guess he's jaw

792
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,870
dropped and he says hello but I really

793
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:56,400
didn't get attacked or anything just

794
00:37:01,460 --> 00:36:58,610
backed away and the cat kind of just

795
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:01,470
scared him out but you know tell any

796
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:06,450
movers boss I guess but if it's things

797
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:09,660
like that that you know for me are

798
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,880
important because he kind of humanizes

799
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:14,160
the experience you know you realize that

800
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:16,770
he it's not a hoax because it's the kind

801
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:18,630
of thing we all might do you know when

802
00:37:22,580 --> 00:37:19,850
you just phase through that

803
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:22,590
unpredictable situation you're like oh I

804
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,920
mean yeah I give you example I mean the

805
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:28,800
apartments where I live this is kind of

806
00:37:33,260 --> 00:37:31,500
almost identical you know I live on the

807
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:33,270
second floor so when I go down to get

808
00:37:38,090 --> 00:37:36,060
the mail there's like a white cat here

809
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:38,100
that everybody feeds so I'll get down

810
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:40,020
the bottom of the steps and every

811
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:42,030
morning you'll go kill me out four or

812
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:44,610
five times so kill me I mean I once I go

813
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:49,140
hey any old meow again I'll go hey so I

814
00:38:04,850 --> 00:37:54,210
guess I kind of do the same yeah white

815
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,860
cat haters and shape-shift supernovae do

816
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:07,200
you think any of these creatures may be

817
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:09,720
a part of a black op government

818
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:16,200
experiment gone wrong well I mean I've

819
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,650
had two heard that theory

820
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:20,960
not so much in relation to

821
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,130
shape-shifting but in relation to weird

822
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:25,920
creatures in general for example I've

823
00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:27,570
been a lot of expeditions to Puerto Rico

824
00:38:35,090 --> 00:38:32,120
looking for the original chupacabra and

825
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:35,100
chupacabras and I've heard a lot of

826
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:37,770
stories there about military programs

827
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:41,510
and underground labs where supposedly

828
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:43,050
research was

829
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:46,530
- you know genetically alter regular

830
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:49,800
animals into these sort of Chupacabra

831
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:51,510
type creatures I've heard a lot of

832
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:53,460
stories about experiments being

833
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:55,530
undertaken on Puerto Rico involving

834
00:39:01,340 --> 00:38:59,490
monkeys and chimpanzees to mutate them

835
00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:01,350
into something else which could be

836
00:39:07,330 --> 00:39:03,270
unleashed on the battlefield you know

837
00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:07,340
like some sort of killing machine now

838
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:09,270
obviously you know those stories an

839
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:11,400
extremely controversial the idea of

840
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:13,650
literally being to being able to

841
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:16,530
genetically alter you know a creature

842
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:19,680
into something else I mean as far as our

843
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:21,690
science medicine and technology is

844
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:24,960
concerned we cannot do that but you know

845
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:26,490
who knows what's going on behind the

846
00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:29,850
scenes in terms of what somebody else

847
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:31,470
could have achieved you know I mean

848
00:39:36,620 --> 00:39:34,800
things like gene splicing and you know

849
00:39:38,330 --> 00:39:36,630
sort of mixing genes from one creature

850
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:38,340
to another which is actually going on

851
00:39:44,540 --> 00:39:41,310
now then you could well understand if

852
00:39:46,610 --> 00:39:44,550
somebody secretly is 20 or 30 years

853
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:46,620
ahead of the rest of us in terms of

854
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:50,490
science then it's not out of the you

855
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:52,920
know at of the possibility but I have

856
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:54,390
heard of quite a few stories like that

857
00:40:00,980 --> 00:39:56,070
particularly in relation to the

858
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:00,990
chupacabra as I said and also some of

859
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,720
the skinwalker type reports and things

860
00:40:08,060 --> 00:40:06,240
like that the idea that the military

861
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:08,070
might be interested in this kind of

862
00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:11,310
phenomenon yeah and they also might have

863
00:40:15,590 --> 00:40:13,350
creatures that have gotten loose because

864
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,600
I know there was a story about people

865
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:17,760
swimming in a lake out in the Midwest

866
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:20,760
and they were attacked by a very strange

867
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:22,710
creature that scratched them up really

868
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,180
badly and they left that site in a hurry

869
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:30,720
but then they were visited by several

870
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:33,540
military people and told never to talk

871
00:40:37,850 --> 00:40:35,820
about it which of course they did talk

872
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:37,860
about it thank goodness because that's

873
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:40,110
how we heard the story but again so you

874
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:43,410
may you know I makes me wonder is this

875
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:45,180
one of theirs that got loose and now

876
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:46,710
they're following up and trying to cover

877
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:50,310
their own tracks so it is possible yeah

878
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:51,960
but a lot of those stories you know like

879
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:53,490
I said I appease that sort of thing

880
00:40:57,140 --> 00:40:55,560
that's what I heard a lot in Puerto Rico

881
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:57,150
on you know in terms

882
00:41:01,370 --> 00:40:59,160
are they escaped and they're running

883
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:01,380
around and they're responsible for the

884
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:04,920
other Chupacabra reports so I had some

885
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:07,380
really weird stuff about I don't you

886
00:41:11,329 --> 00:41:10,140
ever seen the the movie 28 days later

887
00:41:13,759 --> 00:41:11,339
which is um

888
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:13,769
it may be about 1516 years ago it's a

889
00:41:20,539 --> 00:41:17,569
zombie movie set in England where these

890
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:20,549
chimpanzees have been using experiments

891
00:41:26,059 --> 00:41:22,859
and they the scientists create what they

892
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,069
call the rage virus and they inject it

893
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:28,079
into these chimpanzees and it sends them

894
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:30,450
crazy you know but kill anybody you know

895
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:31,710
the idea is to unleash them on the

896
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:33,480
battlefield against the enemy but what

897
00:41:38,989 --> 00:41:36,329
happens is the virus gets out into the

898
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:38,999
you the population of the UK and the

899
00:41:42,799 --> 00:41:40,710
UK's quarantine because you've got all

900
00:41:44,509 --> 00:41:42,809
these people running around like crazy

901
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:44,519
zombies because they're all infected

902
00:41:49,789 --> 00:41:46,740
with the rage virus now actually it's

903
00:41:51,499 --> 00:41:49,799
something very similar to that one of my

904
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:51,509
earlier trips to Puerto Rico where

905
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:54,089
people said that chimpanzees and monkeys

906
00:42:00,609 --> 00:41:58,160
were being used in sort of mind-altering

907
00:42:03,339 --> 00:42:00,619
experiments you know to try and turn a

908
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:03,349
friendly little monkey into sort of a

909
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:05,400
rampaging killing machine you know

910
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:08,869
that's horrible well how would you tell

911
00:42:13,220 --> 00:42:11,400
who's the good guy who is the bad guy if

912
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:13,230
you turn them loose how do they know the

913
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:16,890
difference well I mean well I mean if

914
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:29,420
yeah how would they know which side

915
00:42:33,769 --> 00:42:31,650
they're after the battle that's hard to

916
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:33,779
tell say what you mean oh no that's

917
00:42:37,759 --> 00:42:35,460
actually a really good point I mean I

918
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,769
think the only way you if the stories

919
00:42:42,799 --> 00:42:39,599
are true I think the only way you could

920
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:42,809
use that as a weapon would be if only

921
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:44,970
the enemy were on the battlefield you

922
00:42:47,479 --> 00:42:46,380
know because of your own troops were

923
00:42:49,489 --> 00:42:47,489
there then they're probably just going

924
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:49,499
to attack them as well so I think the

925
00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:53,099
only way they could ever gain anything

926
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:55,349
would be you know to release them

927
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:55,920
somehow

928
00:43:06,859 --> 00:42:58,920
and to make sure that none of our side

929
00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:06,869
was there you know yeah they wouldn't

930
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,390
suddenly think oh bad the good guys will

931
00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:10,960
leave them alone

932
00:43:16,749 --> 00:43:15,140
the way it has a little scent on them so

933
00:43:20,799 --> 00:43:16,759
they know which one's the good guy glass

934
00:43:24,279 --> 00:43:20,809
the bad well here's another question for

935
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:24,289
you this let's see what everything just

936
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:27,049
dropped down a second there was an old

937
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:29,569
movie this is from Squatch detective

938
00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:31,970
with James Earl Jones shape-shifting

939
00:43:37,299 --> 00:43:35,240
into a snake in Conan the Barbarian was

940
00:43:41,230 --> 00:43:37,309
this an early look into shape-shifting

941
00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:41,240
reptilians that the UFO talk about now

942
00:43:46,450 --> 00:43:43,940
UFO people talk about now or is this in

943
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:46,460
the cryptid research field so where does

944
00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:49,640
it belong UFO encrypted what's

945
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,470
interesting is sometimes we actually get

946
00:43:55,329 --> 00:43:52,880
crossovers between

947
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,339
things that go on in the UFO field and

948
00:43:59,559 --> 00:43:57,680
the golden cryptozoology for example the

949
00:44:02,650 --> 00:43:59,569
beam cases where people have seen

950
00:44:05,289 --> 00:44:02,660
strange lights in the sky hovering over

951
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:05,299
woods where people at the exact same

952
00:44:09,759 --> 00:44:07,490
time in place have seen Bigfoot at time

953
00:44:11,859 --> 00:44:09,769
creatures there are a number of

954
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:11,869
Chupacabra cases from Puerto Rico where

955
00:44:18,819 --> 00:44:14,930
people saw UFOs in conjunction with the

956
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:18,829
chupacabra no you know it could be a

957
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,569
similar situation when you're talking

958
00:44:25,059 --> 00:44:22,880
about the reptilians and I mean I

959
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:25,069
actually have a a chapter in the book

960
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:27,410
that talks about the reptilians and

961
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:29,750
probably one of the creepiest cases of

962
00:44:35,859 --> 00:44:31,369
all that I've got because it deals with

963
00:44:37,299 --> 00:44:35,869
two very weird phenomenon and involves a

964
00:44:39,759 --> 00:44:37,309
woman I interviewed a couple of years

965
00:44:42,549 --> 00:44:39,769
ago who lives in Point Pleasant West

966
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,559
Virginia which ironically is where all

967
00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:44,960
the original Mothman sightings began in

968
00:44:50,589 --> 00:44:47,750
the 60s but she had a real axe weed

969
00:44:52,539 --> 00:44:50,599
experience where like one night she was

970
00:44:54,609 --> 00:44:52,549
just watching TV like 11 o'clock at

971
00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:54,619
night and there was this loud knock on

972
00:44:58,299 --> 00:44:56,150
the door you know three or four knocks

973
00:45:00,549 --> 00:44:58,309
and she was she like well who on earth

974
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:00,559
that you know so she kind of crept to

975
00:45:05,859 --> 00:45:03,049
the door looked through the spy hole and

976
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:05,869
saw these two kids they're wearing black

977
00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:07,960
hoodies and they look really pale and

978
00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:10,670
they tried to find a way to get into the

979
00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:13,880
house and so they were hungry they were

980
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:17,180
last etc etc and she just again kind of

981
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:18,950
like with a lot of these phenomena she

982
00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:21,049
got this weird vibe from them I mean

983
00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:23,180
they suddenly looked up at her and they

984
00:45:27,309 --> 00:45:24,859
both got the solid black

985
00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:27,319
guys and this is known as the black-eyed

986
00:45:31,029 --> 00:45:29,390
children-- phenomenon and there's all

987
00:45:34,089 --> 00:45:31,039
sorts of different theories to what they

988
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:34,099
are you know paranormal alien-human

989
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:36,170
hybrids demonic you know that the list

990
00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:38,450
goes on and on but what was really weird

991
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:41,150
she said that as she stared at them

992
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:43,190
it was almost suddenly after a few

993
00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:45,529
seconds the you know what when you drive

994
00:45:49,150 --> 00:45:47,390
in the car and he's like really hot and

995
00:45:52,749 --> 00:45:49,160
there's a heat haze where the road kind

996
00:45:55,059 --> 00:45:52,759
of ripples and it was like that where

997
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:55,069
they they sort of rippled and she said

998
00:45:59,229 --> 00:45:57,170
they changed literally before on the

999
00:46:05,079 --> 00:45:59,239
other side of the door until these eight

1000
00:46:07,479 --> 00:46:05,089
foots or lizard Cyprien yeah and

1001
00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:07,489
obviously you know it scared the life

1002
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:10,430
out of it when she basically did was to

1003
00:46:15,759 --> 00:46:12,410
just run to the furthest part of the

1004
00:46:17,890 --> 00:46:15,769
apartment away from the door and finally

1005
00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:17,900
I think after a couple of hours she went

1006
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,180
back to the door and know nothing was

1007
00:46:24,789 --> 00:46:22,400
there at all the kids or the the

1008
00:46:27,749 --> 00:46:24,799
reptilians but but that was like a

1009
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:27,759
really creepy one and I got to say her

1010
00:46:34,269 --> 00:46:30,319
personally at one of the Mothman

1011
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,279
festivals which I spoke at and you know

1012
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:36,319
she came across as just a normal

1013
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:38,450
credible person but telling an

1014
00:46:45,609 --> 00:46:42,079
incredible story and you know she didn't

1015
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:45,619
come across crazy or you know anything

1016
00:46:51,099 --> 00:46:47,450
like that just had a really weird story

1017
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:51,109
was was very concerned about not going

1018
00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:52,700
on the record and I said that's fine I

1019
00:46:56,769 --> 00:46:55,220
said you know I totally understand why

1020
00:46:59,859 --> 00:46:56,779
sometimes people don't want to go on the

1021
00:47:03,120 --> 00:46:59,869
record but yeah I mean it was just one

1022
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:03,130
of those bizarre strange stories but you

1023
00:47:08,109 --> 00:47:06,049
know the reptilian angle he's an

1024
00:47:10,359 --> 00:47:08,119
interesting one because it's certainly

1025
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:10,369
grown in the last 20 years or so

1026
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,529
particularly you know with the whole

1027
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:14,480
British royal family thing now

1028
00:47:18,549 --> 00:47:17,089
personally I'm not actually not a fan of

1029
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:18,559
the royal family I think they're kind of

1030
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:21,890
outdated but I don't personally think

1031
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:24,650
they are reptiles now but what I do

1032
00:47:29,650 --> 00:47:27,430
believe is that there is a genuine

1033
00:47:32,229 --> 00:47:29,660
reptilian phenomenon I mean I've been

1034
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:32,239
interviewed a lot of people who have

1035
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:34,609
swore you know they saw somebody

1036
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:37,089
upstairs this is very after what happens

1037
00:47:40,330 --> 00:47:38,810
somebody gets that for

1038
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:40,340
we all get from time to time when you

1039
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:42,110
think somebody's looking at you you know

1040
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:44,570
you're in the checkout line at the store

1041
00:47:48,670 --> 00:47:46,610
and you think someone's looking and you

1042
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:48,680
turn around and somebody is watching you

1043
00:47:54,970 --> 00:47:51,950
now we can all do that even if we don't

1044
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:54,980
know why works but we all have that kind

1045
00:48:00,910 --> 00:47:57,290
of sense and only if you okay is where

1046
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:00,920
people said they kind of looked at this

1047
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:04,910
person and it was as if the person was a

1048
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:07,570
reptilian and they realized that the

1049
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:10,850
human knew there was something odd about

1050
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:13,220
them you know as if their camouflage are

1051
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:15,260
being blown and so what they did they

1052
00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:18,770
allowed them to see their real form you

1053
00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:21,080
know like a reptilian very briefly for a

1054
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:22,520
couple of seconds and then change back

1055
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:25,970
again oh my goodness yes I kind of

1056
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:28,280
really freaked out the witness you know

1057
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:31,430
is if the creature was saying yeah okay

1058
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:33,890
you picked up on something so I'll let

1059
00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:35,750
you see what I look like now what are

1060
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:38,660
you going to do about it you know shut

1061
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:42,770
their mouths and this is the first time

1062
00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:45,530
I have ever heard about black-eyed kids

1063
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:48,260
morphing into reptilians I mean that's

1064
00:48:54,730 --> 00:48:51,950
an incredible event the only one I've

1065
00:48:59,800 --> 00:48:54,740
got the closest thing I can think of

1066
00:49:02,110 --> 00:48:59,810
that similar is that I did have one case

1067
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,120
well it is kind of similar but it's

1068
00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:04,160
actually involved one of the black-eyed

1069
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:09,020
children and the after the black eye kid

1070
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:11,810
had gone the witness just opened the

1071
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:13,250
front door like an hour or two later

1072
00:49:18,850 --> 00:49:15,970
just to make sure still wasn't there and

1073
00:49:21,790 --> 00:49:18,860
he said that he saw this sort of large

1074
00:49:24,310 --> 00:49:21,800
black dog with these glowing red eyes

1075
00:49:25,810 --> 00:49:24,320
just kind of prowling around the front

1076
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:25,820
yard kind of the Hound of the

1077
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:28,250
Baskervilles now he didn't see the

1078
00:49:34,090 --> 00:49:31,430
creature change into the black eye kid

1079
00:49:35,650 --> 00:49:34,100
or vice versa but he did admittedly feel

1080
00:49:37,330 --> 00:49:35,660
it was really strange that he should

1081
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:37,340
have seen a black eyed kid and then a

1082
00:49:42,090 --> 00:49:39,530
couple of hours out later he opened the

1083
00:49:44,890 --> 00:49:42,100
front door to see these sort of creepy

1084
00:49:48,490 --> 00:49:44,900
black no doubt dog more like a black

1085
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:48,500
man's yeah yeah around and he did make

1086
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:50,930
that connection that you know he did ask

1087
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:52,040
me you know do you think it could be one

1088
00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:52,640
of the side

1089
00:49:57,549 --> 00:49:55,190
well I don't know you know I can't

1090
00:50:01,420 --> 00:49:57,559
answer that question for sure but it is

1091
00:50:03,789 --> 00:50:01,430
kind of you know intriguing the two

1092
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,799
phenomena should be within you know a

1093
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,319
couple of hours each of each other in

1094
00:50:12,099 --> 00:50:08,720
the same area you know outside the same

1095
00:50:13,930 --> 00:50:12,109
house that's true and then Bluebird just

1096
00:50:15,789 --> 00:50:13,940
wrote in and you know Bluebird I'm glad

1097
00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:15,799
you said this because I remembered this

1098
00:50:18,910 --> 00:50:17,180
story actually wanted to get Billy

1099
00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:18,920
Corgan on our show to talk about it

1100
00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:22,670
Billy Corgan recently talked and on the

1101
00:50:27,490 --> 00:50:24,230
record I believe it was with Howard

1102
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:27,500
Stern about seeing someone shaved

1103
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:31,010
shape-shift right in front of him it was

1104
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:33,200
somebody in the music industry are you

1105
00:50:37,630 --> 00:50:35,510
familiar with that story Nick yeah it

1106
00:50:40,089 --> 00:50:37,640
was a billy corgan from the Smashing

1107
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:40,099
Pumpkins and yes but I mean it's

1108
00:50:45,490 --> 00:50:42,130
surprising really how many people

1109
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:45,500
scooby-doo report these kinds of events

1110
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:48,049
whether it's you know somebody turning

1111
00:50:54,460 --> 00:50:50,930
into a reptilian or a you know a black

1112
00:50:58,569 --> 00:50:54,470
eye key turns into like a black dog or

1113
00:51:02,289 --> 00:50:58,579
the dog man phenomenon I think what

1114
00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:02,299
happens is that because we have like a

1115
00:51:08,019 --> 00:51:05,470
long lasting history and culture of

1116
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:08,029
things like werewolves and you know the

1117
00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:10,190
mythology and the folklore that goes

1118
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:10,940
along with it

1119
00:51:15,970 --> 00:51:13,490
in today's world a lot of people dismiss

1120
00:51:19,539 --> 00:51:15,980
all this because they can't get past me

1121
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:19,549
like the image of Hollywood movies or TV

1122
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:22,490
shows you know and so they don't think

1123
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:25,970
it's real but you know shape-shifting

1124
00:51:31,450 --> 00:51:28,670
covers every culture around the planets

1125
00:51:34,059 --> 00:51:31,460
and when that happens for me at least

1126
00:51:37,059 --> 00:51:34,069
you have to begin to accept that with

1127
00:51:39,609 --> 00:51:37,069
every culture has these stories and this

1128
00:51:41,289 --> 00:51:39,619
was long before you know aircraft and

1129
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:41,299
ships and these you know different

1130
00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:43,430
cultures weren't even seen each other

1131
00:51:48,999 --> 00:51:45,140
you know live thousands of miles of

1132
00:51:52,210 --> 00:51:49,009
distance away then I think a good case

1133
00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:52,220
can be made that shapeshifters are real

1134
00:52:00,190 --> 00:51:55,220
and they're they're seen quite regularly

1135
00:52:02,349 --> 00:52:00,200
but people recognize the implications of

1136
00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:02,359
saying you've seen a shape-shifting

1137
00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:04,460
creature and so most people don't talk

1138
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:06,590
about it you

1139
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:09,050
and I think you know reading your book I

1140
00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:11,330
was kind of overwhelmed thinking about

1141
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:13,160
all the different creatures that are

1142
00:52:17,970 --> 00:52:15,710
around us you know whether people want

1143
00:52:20,410 --> 00:52:17,980
to believe it or not they're here and

1144
00:52:22,210 --> 00:52:20,420
certainly people that have had personal

1145
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:22,220
experiences that have reached out to you

1146
00:52:26,740 --> 00:52:23,690
and share their stories know they're

1147
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:26,750
real and you know they're real yeah I

1148
00:52:31,450 --> 00:52:28,430
mean one of the things I would point out

1149
00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:31,460
I mean anything paranormal but just just

1150
00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:34,430
show how nature works you know you take

1151
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,590
a creature like a chameleon where it can

1152
00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:38,720
change its color to blend into the

1153
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:41,870
background you know so you know predator

1154
00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:44,330
animal doesn't see it and doesn't

1155
00:52:55,870 --> 00:52:52,940
recognize it for another short break

1156
00:52:59,140 --> 00:52:55,880
next mean interrupt but my producer is

1157
00:53:01,360 --> 00:52:59,150
waving at me here then we're going to

1158
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:01,370
take another very short break because he

1159
00:53:05,410 --> 00:53:02,930
wanting it back to Nick and all of his

1160
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:05,420
great stories here and again the name of

1161
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,490
the book real quick is shapeshifters

1162
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:09,920
morphing monsters and changing cryptids

1163
00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:11,900
stay tuned everybody you are listening

1164
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:14,030
to Supernatural girls radio and we will

1165
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:16,970
be right back welcome back everyone to

1166
00:53:21,070 --> 00:53:19,220
Supernatural girls radio I'm your host

1167
00:53:25,690 --> 00:53:21,080
Patricia Baker here with my co-host

1168
00:53:28,690 --> 00:53:25,700
Patricia Kirkman PK and our guests who

1169
00:53:31,390 --> 00:53:28,700
we love Nick Redfern is with us tonight

1170
00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:31,400
he has a new book shapeshifters morphing

1171
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,480
monsters and changing cryptids it is a

1172
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:37,280
terrific book and we're getting into as

1173
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:40,310
many stories as we can with Nick tonight

1174
00:53:44,530 --> 00:53:42,470
now somebody was asking Nick about owl

1175
00:53:48,070 --> 00:53:44,540
man can you talk to us a little bit

1176
00:53:50,890 --> 00:53:48,080
about that creature yes yeah well almond

1177
00:53:53,770 --> 00:53:50,900
is the British equivalent of masked man

1178
00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:53,780
now people don't know Mothman was this

1179
00:53:59,170 --> 00:53:56,390
creature first seen all these violent

1180
00:54:02,800 --> 00:53:59,180
name in Point Pleasant West Virginia in

1181
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:02,810
the latter part of 1966 through December

1182
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,050
67 it was like a flying humanoid with

1183
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:08,480
these fiery red eyes and that's

1184
00:54:13,570 --> 00:54:10,850
basically what the owl man is in the UK

1185
00:54:16,780 --> 00:54:13,580
it's like a humanoid flying creature

1186
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:16,790
with these bright red eyes and again

1187
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:19,530
like with the Mothman this

1188
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:22,650
a lot of stories of disaster and

1189
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:25,610
negativity surrounding this creature and

1190
00:54:31,820 --> 00:54:29,400
what's interesting is that there are in

1191
00:54:34,460 --> 00:54:31,830
relation to VL man there aspects of

1192
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:34,470
shape-shifting for example one of the

1193
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:37,110
things I talk about is where people have

1194
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:39,210
sort of been driving around the little

1195
00:54:44,290 --> 00:54:41,400
country roads in and around the area in

1196
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:44,300
the county of Cornwall where people see

1197
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:50,310
the real man and they've seen first what

1198
00:54:56,090 --> 00:54:52,980
they thought was just a regular kind of

1199
00:54:59,570 --> 00:54:56,100
owl and then as they got closer it was

1200
00:55:01,220 --> 00:54:59,580
as if it morphed into like a much larger

1201
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:01,230
creature sort of six to seven feet tall

1202
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:02,850
what was weird

1203
00:55:10,310 --> 00:55:08,250
at the time they didn't think was

1204
00:55:12,260 --> 00:55:10,320
anything strange it was like oh that how

1205
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:12,270
oldest changed you know from three foot

1206
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:15,300
to foot six foot or whatever tell me

1207
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:16,710
afterwards that they got home that

1208
00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:19,170
they're like why didn't I think that was

1209
00:55:26,330 --> 00:55:22,230
strange and he was there was somehow

1210
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:26,340
mind controlled or hypnotized so that a

1211
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:29,370
lot of stories like that where as if the

1212
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:31,050
owl man has the ability to sort of

1213
00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:33,930
control the person for whatever reason

1214
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:35,820
we don't know but there are other cases

1215
00:55:41,330 --> 00:55:39,210
which cross over into the UFO issue

1216
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,340
where sometimes people have been a

1217
00:55:45,830 --> 00:55:44,160
message in the US and in the UK where

1218
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:45,840
people have been driving home late at

1219
00:55:51,650 --> 00:55:49,890
night and when they get home these kind

1220
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,660
of feel a little bit odd as if the

1221
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:53,280
journey took longer than they should

1222
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:55,530
have done and they're a little bit

1223
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:58,050
muddled or puzzled and the only thing

1224
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,180
they can remember is that they saw this

1225
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:02,640
large owl standing at the side of the

1226
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:05,730
road again sort of at five feet tall you

1227
00:56:11,420 --> 00:56:08,010
know which under normal circumstances

1228
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,430
were being possible but then they start

1229
00:56:17,090 --> 00:56:13,200
getting these weird nightmares and

1230
00:56:20,810 --> 00:56:17,100
dreams where the wall where the the owl

1231
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,820
was actually like a screen memory for an

1232
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:23,280
alien abduction in other words if the

1233
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:26,520
alien saying you'll remember seeing an

1234
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:29,760
owl instead of what really happened now

1235
00:56:33,260 --> 00:56:31,230
the people who don't know scream

1236
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:33,270
memories are a reality

1237
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,170
you know if you have a traumatic

1238
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:37,440
experience the mind covers it up by

1239
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:40,890
creating a fantasy and you don't do it

1240
00:56:44,330 --> 00:56:42,540
deliberately you know it just happens

1241
00:56:47,570 --> 00:56:44,340
it's kind of like somebody sees a really

1242
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:47,580
bad car accident but then two weeks

1243
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:50,760
later they cannot remember properly the

1244
00:56:55,070 --> 00:56:53,370
graphic images of the injuries of the

1245
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:55,080
person you know another person might

1246
00:56:59,870 --> 00:56:56,970
have had because the brain kind of

1247
00:57:02,480 --> 00:56:59,880
cushions itself you know so you don't

1248
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:02,490
you know constantly cause there's no

1249
00:57:09,470 --> 00:57:05,610
insurable images yeah and it's kind of

1250
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:09,480
like that we've deliberately inserted

1251
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:11,730
screen memories you know the idea that

1252
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:15,480
these aliens if you like could create a

1253
00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:18,570
screen image so they they haven't

1254
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:21,120
physically shape-shifted but the the

1255
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:24,180
alien at the edge of the road in terms

1256
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:26,280
of the person's mind its shape shifts

1257
00:57:32,090 --> 00:57:29,460
but into that of like a giant owl so I

1258
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:32,100
think the almond phenomenon could

1259
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:35,640
somehow be tied in with these similar

1260
00:57:41,330 --> 00:57:38,970
large owl stories that that tie with the

1261
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:41,340
whole alien abduction phenomenon that's

1262
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:44,460
interesting yes yeah there was a movie

1263
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:47,400
about abductions in Alaska and they all

1264
00:57:52,310 --> 00:57:50,130
had the owl it's kind of a motif that

1265
00:57:53,330 --> 00:57:52,320
they remembered and very little else but

1266
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:53,340
they were terrified

1267
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:55,890
just seeing the owls so you know that's

1268
00:58:00,920 --> 00:57:58,980
an interesting screen memory so it

1269
00:58:02,810 --> 00:58:00,930
here's another thing that we wanted to

1270
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:02,820
talk to you about that's just so many

1271
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:06,960
but serious shapeshifters of all you

1272
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:09,810
have a chapter on that who are the

1273
00:58:15,350 --> 00:58:13,740
scariest ones mm-hmm well I'm not sure

1274
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:15,360
if ever scares but there's only the most

1275
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:18,570
dangerous ones one of them would be the

1276
00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:21,660
wendi-go a creature that features

1277
00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:25,590
prominently in Native American law in be

1278
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:27,960
sort of northern parts of the US and and

1279
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:31,370
into Canada now there are a lot of

1280
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:33,990
stories and some some of them kind of

1281
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:37,050
clash in terms of what the wendi-go is

1282
00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:41,490
now one theory is that or one of the

1283
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:43,950
belief systems was in Native American

1284
00:58:47,210 --> 00:58:46,740
law was that if somebody would sort of

1285
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:47,220
go

1286
00:58:52,550 --> 00:58:50,280
and live in the woods and turned to

1287
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:52,560
cannibalism then they would transform

1288
00:59:01,100 --> 00:58:55,760
into this sort of marauding giant

1289
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:01,110
humanoid known as the Wendigo and it

1290
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:03,720
would attack people and kill them and

1291
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:06,480
eat them and it would take on from its

1292
00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:09,210
original human form more like a savage

1293
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,430
beast like creature even though it would

1294
00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:13,920
have sort of two arms two legs and a

1295
00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:17,460
head now some people are suggesting that

1296
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:20,550
maybe possibly what people were talking

1297
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:22,500
about we're actually very violent

1298
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:25,050
dangerous Bigfoot's and that over the

1299
00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:27,330
years sightings of these dangerous

1300
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,190
Bigfoot you know looking for food in the

1301
00:59:35,690 --> 00:59:31,920
winter months possibly attacked people

1302
00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:35,700
and possibly cases like that may have

1303
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:37,080
been responsible for some of these

1304
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:39,510
Wendigo reports but then there are other

1305
00:59:44,110 --> 00:59:42,420
stories where for example the Wendigo is

1306
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:44,120
seen as like a cannibalistic

1307
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:47,250
supernatural creature which can take on

1308
00:59:54,530 --> 00:59:51,510
or possess the mind of a human being so

1309
00:59:57,020 --> 00:59:54,540
it's kind of like again me I mentioned

1310
00:59:59,810 --> 00:59:57,030
briefly earlier in in relation to the

1311
01:00:02,900 --> 00:59:59,820
wendi-go we could be looking at like not

1312
01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:02,910
a like a shape-shifting physically but a

1313
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:05,070
mind shifting where the Wendigo takes

1314
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:08,190
over the mind of the person and then

1315
01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:10,890
goes on this killing rampage or it could

1316
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:12,990
be a combination of all these different

1317
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:15,810
factors but but what it does boil down

1318
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:17,850
to is that within Native American law

1319
01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:21,570
the the wendi-go however you describe it

1320
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:24,270
is sort of a definitive shape-shifter

1321
01:00:29,420 --> 01:00:27,450
and and dangerous because the thing that

1322
01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:29,430
it was associated with more than

1323
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:38,790
anything else was cannibalism so take a

1324
01:00:43,070 --> 01:00:41,640
pass on that experience yeah I mean now

1325
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:43,080
also with the Wendigo I've heard that

1326
01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:45,900
they are consumed with hunger it's one

1327
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:48,180
of the things that makes them so

1328
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:50,910
dangerous have you heard that yeah this

1329
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,260
actually ties it with a similar

1330
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:54,480
phenomena known as The Hungry Ghost and

1331
01:01:00,559 --> 01:00:57,690
and they're sort of driven to constantly

1332
01:01:03,019 --> 01:01:00,569
eight you know they have this sort of

1333
01:01:07,370 --> 01:01:03,029
almost like a starvation mode where

1334
01:01:09,919 --> 01:01:07,380
they're just crazy for food and but yeah

1335
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:09,929
again it's interesting you can find the

1336
01:01:14,209 --> 01:01:11,910
stories of similar to the wendi-go but

1337
01:01:15,769 --> 01:01:14,219
where they call them The Hungry Ghost

1338
01:01:19,339 --> 01:01:15,779
see the hungry ghosts are quite

1339
01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:19,349
prevalent in Indian legends and Chinese

1340
01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:21,150
legends and again they're sort of

1341
01:01:27,140 --> 01:01:24,390
they're driven to just ate all the time

1342
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:27,150
and but you never they're never

1343
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:29,640
satisfied you know so again it's

1344
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:30,809
interesting that you've got almost

1345
01:01:37,429 --> 01:01:34,529
parallel stories from Canada from Alaska

1346
01:01:39,259 --> 01:01:37,439
and ride across to China and India and

1347
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:39,269
going back thousands of years

1348
01:01:43,309 --> 01:01:41,729
when supposedly you know we didn't even

1349
01:01:45,699 --> 01:01:43,319
know the other countries were there but

1350
01:01:48,349 --> 01:01:45,709
their tales are almost identical

1351
01:01:50,449 --> 01:01:48,359
it's incredible and I think we've found

1352
01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:50,459
ways it's scary it's so scary to some of

1353
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:53,099
us that we found ways to to try to bury

1354
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:55,049
it but it's these things they keep

1355
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,910
surfacing and more and more people are

1356
01:02:00,499 --> 01:01:58,799
coming forward because they have the

1357
01:02:02,959 --> 01:02:00,509
sympathetic ear of people like you who

1358
01:02:05,659 --> 01:02:02,969
are kind enough to listen and respect

1359
01:02:06,859 --> 01:02:05,669
their story so that makes a big

1360
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:06,869
difference that work that you're doing

1361
01:02:11,419 --> 01:02:09,089
and bringing this out I think Nick is

1362
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:11,429
extremely important so thank you for

1363
01:02:20,959 --> 01:02:19,069
without the witnesses we've got nothing

1364
01:02:24,169 --> 01:02:20,969
to go on and so I think it's important

1365
01:02:26,449 --> 01:02:24,179
to respect the witnesses because they're

1366
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:26,459
the ones who had the experiences and so

1367
01:02:30,949 --> 01:02:28,650
that's why you know I'm always happy to

1368
01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:30,959
listen if somebody says yes you can use

1369
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:33,150
the story my real name that's great if

1370
01:02:37,669 --> 01:02:35,249
they say you can use the story but I'd

1371
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,679
rather not be named then I'd never do

1372
01:02:41,870 --> 01:02:39,599
name them you know I think it's always

1373
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:41,880
important to have respect for the person

1374
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:45,089
who's sharing the story you know and not

1375
01:02:54,109 --> 01:02:50,130
kind of you know go against their their

1376
01:02:56,209 --> 01:02:54,119
wishes or whatever but yeah that's a big

1377
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,219
help to all of us now here's a question

1378
01:03:01,699 --> 01:02:58,559
from Kari who's asking do you have any

1379
01:03:04,459 --> 01:03:01,709
reports from big-game hunters who have

1380
01:03:09,610 --> 01:03:04,469
reported seeing unrecognizable creatures

1381
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:12,760
[Music]

1382
01:03:19,150 --> 01:03:16,099
the only things I can think of I know a

1383
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,160
few Bigfoot cases where hunters did

1384
01:03:26,059 --> 01:03:21,599
officially file a report you know it

1385
01:03:29,299 --> 01:03:26,069
like the forestry organizations I know a

1386
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,309
few people in the forestry offices

1387
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:31,680
around the u.s. have been approached by

1388
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,170
people who said they saw a bigfoot-type

1389
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:37,680
creature now you know for the most part

1390
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:39,510
they they will love their story you know

1391
01:03:45,319 --> 01:03:41,849
if you officially want to report

1392
01:03:46,609 --> 01:03:45,329
something they will they'll file it you

1393
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:46,619
know in the same way if you call the

1394
01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:48,390
police if you see you say you've seen a

1395
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:51,420
UFO and you insist they vestigators I

1396
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:53,490
mean you insist they make a note of it

1397
01:04:00,140 --> 01:03:56,579
they will but they're also you know

1398
01:04:03,140 --> 01:04:00,150
conspiracy theories surrounding you know

1399
01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:03,150
forestry organizations knowing more

1400
01:04:08,980 --> 01:04:06,329
about the existence of Bigfoot and that

1401
01:04:11,299 --> 01:04:08,990
there's some sort of cover-up going on

1402
01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:11,309
you can find a number of stories like

1403
01:04:17,470 --> 01:04:13,859
that but that's probably the closest I

1404
01:04:20,420 --> 01:04:17,480
can think of you know that that would

1405
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:20,430
yeah I mean there are a lot of mysteries

1406
01:04:29,390 --> 01:04:22,890
about disappearances in our national

1407
01:04:31,130 --> 01:04:29,400
parks that's for sure where I kind of

1408
01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:31,140
play it down because they don't want

1409
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:33,390
people panicking that there are you know

1410
01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:35,970
sort of killer Bigfoot running around or

1411
01:04:40,849 --> 01:04:39,150
whatever yeah and they don't want people

1412
01:04:43,789 --> 01:04:40,859
to stop spending money there that's

1413
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:43,799
really the reason so good point a good

1414
01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:44,250
point

1415
01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:46,440
you know it's it's amazing that over the

1416
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:48,990
years how each civilization as you say

1417
01:04:56,569 --> 01:04:52,799
China States or ever they all have that

1418
01:05:00,260 --> 01:04:56,579
background where you'll see sketches or

1419
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,270
pictures of the same things but from

1420
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:02,160
totally different aspects that nobody

1421
01:05:06,980 --> 01:05:05,220
knew the other one existed and yet when

1422
01:05:09,260 --> 01:05:06,990
we go back and take a look at it like

1423
01:05:13,059 --> 01:05:09,270
the Egyptians with the head of the

1424
01:05:16,220 --> 01:05:13,069
animal versus and how many religions or

1425
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:16,230
peoples have that type of thing I'm

1426
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:20,130
going yeah that's it for me that's one

1427
01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:21,780
of the most important things when you

1428
01:05:26,780 --> 01:05:24,630
have similar stories

1429
01:05:29,870 --> 01:05:26,790
from a massive amount of distance away

1430
01:05:31,940 --> 01:05:29,880
but to me that's a good point too we're

1431
01:05:34,220 --> 01:05:31,950
not talking about fantasies or folklore

1432
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:34,230
you know it's it's a real phenomenon

1433
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:36,450
even if we're not really sure what the

1434
01:05:48,620 --> 01:05:40,170
phenomenon actually is do you have a

1435
01:05:51,290 --> 01:05:48,630
favorite Krypton Nick lot of interest in

1436
01:05:53,330 --> 01:05:51,300
the the Puerto Rican Chupacabra because

1437
01:05:55,940 --> 01:05:53,340
I've been there so many times looking

1438
01:05:59,000 --> 01:05:55,950
for the chupacabra probably 9 or 10

1439
01:06:01,460 --> 01:05:59,010
times now you know and I like I like

1440
01:06:04,550 --> 01:06:01,470
Puerto Rico anyway you know son one the

1441
01:06:07,940 --> 01:06:04,560
Capitals sort of this cross between you

1442
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:07,950
know four hundred year old little areas

1443
01:06:13,550 --> 01:06:10,980
you know their streets and you know even

1444
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:13,560
some of the old buildings there and the

1445
01:06:19,130 --> 01:06:15,510
Pirates were invading and then you've

1446
01:06:22,070 --> 01:06:19,140
got sort of new part of San Juan so so I

1447
01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:22,080
guess you know the the chupacabra is one

1448
01:06:26,330 --> 01:06:22,710
of them

1449
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:26,340
but the I guess another one as well

1450
01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:29,310
would be the whole issue of the men in

1451
01:06:33,620 --> 01:06:31,740
black now people think of the man in

1452
01:06:37,310 --> 01:06:33,630
black you know they think of Will Smith

1453
01:06:38,780 --> 01:06:37,320
and Tommy Lee Jones the rails are much

1454
01:06:42,620 --> 01:06:38,790
creepier where the men in black are

1455
01:06:44,810 --> 01:06:42,630
described as sort of pale and skinny and

1456
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:44,820
very tall and they're these large

1457
01:06:49,310 --> 01:06:46,890
bulging eyes they hide behind these

1458
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:49,320
black sunglasses and they don't actually

1459
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:51,210
look you and some people think they're

1460
01:06:57,620 --> 01:06:54,930
sort of alien-human hybrids other people

1461
01:07:00,680 --> 01:06:57,630
think you know are they supernatural

1462
01:07:04,070 --> 01:07:00,690
time travellers demonic things who knows

1463
01:07:05,860 --> 01:07:04,080
but I've got a number of cases again con

1464
01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:05,870
work with a black-eyed children-- where

1465
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:09,000
the men in black sort of morph into

1466
01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:11,370
other creatures funnily enough I've got

1467
01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:14,700
a man in black case where kind of like

1468
01:07:20,030 --> 01:07:16,740
that black-eyed children-- when I

1469
01:07:24,970 --> 01:07:20,040
mentioned where the witness said the man

1470
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:27,860
you can find a lot of these stories that

1471
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:29,730
they're known as phantom black dogs in

1472
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:31,770
Supernatural research I mean Google

1473
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:34,290
phantom Black Dog you'll find stories

1474
01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:35,970
from all around the world of these large

1475
01:07:41,059 --> 01:07:38,099
black dog cease fire

1476
01:07:42,229 --> 01:07:41,069
red eyes and so I've got one case only

1477
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,239
one but you know it's a really

1478
01:07:48,349 --> 01:07:44,880
interesting case of her this sort of

1479
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:48,359
creepy pale vampire type looking man in

1480
01:07:54,140 --> 01:07:51,599
black transforming into like this savage

1481
01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:54,150
hound type creature and interestingly

1482
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:57,630
enough Arthur Conan Doyle who wrote the

1483
01:08:02,420 --> 01:08:00,119
Sherlock Holmes novel the Hound of the

1484
01:08:05,289 --> 01:08:02,430
Baskervilles he was actually inspired to

1485
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:05,299
write that novel based on pre-existing

1486
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:09,210
legends in the UK of these these fans of

1487
01:08:14,420 --> 01:08:11,880
black dogs that's what pushed him to

1488
01:08:17,859 --> 01:08:14,430
write the novel nowadays he'll house

1489
01:08:20,450 --> 01:08:17,869
would you call them no house yeah yeah

1490
01:08:22,459 --> 01:08:20,460
yeah he'll have sort of the older

1491
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:22,469
version and today they're sort of known

1492
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:25,049
as phantom black dogs but the hellhounds

1493
01:08:29,419 --> 01:08:26,880
you know you can find those going back

1494
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:29,429
to like ancient Greek mythology where

1495
01:08:33,470 --> 01:08:32,130
when somebody dies and you know they go

1496
01:08:36,140 --> 01:08:33,480
to the land of the dead

1497
01:08:41,149 --> 01:08:36,150
you know they're taken by these savage

1498
01:08:43,780 --> 01:08:41,159
savage dogs and you knows paranormal

1499
01:08:46,220 --> 01:08:43,790
pounds paranormal dogs that play quite

1500
01:08:50,059 --> 01:08:46,230
significant roles in a lot of religions

1501
01:08:51,919 --> 01:08:50,069
you know it's sort of like but they sort

1502
01:08:54,499 --> 01:08:51,929
of as I said a crater that takes you

1503
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:54,509
into the next realm you know that kind

1504
01:08:59,599 --> 01:08:56,730
of thing yeah

1505
01:09:01,309 --> 01:08:59,609
where comes after you I mean I've heard

1506
01:09:03,859 --> 01:09:01,319
stories about hellhounds and they have

1507
01:09:05,419 --> 01:09:03,869
teeth that are sharper than metal so I

1508
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:05,429
wouldn't want to be chased by one of

1509
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:08,580
them that's for sure Yami's interesting

1510
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:09,960
you said about being chased because

1511
01:09:14,930 --> 01:09:12,060
they're particularly with the british

1512
01:09:16,910 --> 01:09:14,940
reports if you go about four or five

1513
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,920
hundred years if you were to see one of

1514
01:09:22,039 --> 01:09:19,199
these black dogs it was supposedly like

1515
01:09:24,979 --> 01:09:22,049
a precursor for death or tragedy that

1516
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:24,989
somebody was gonna die who you knew or

1517
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,319
you might die yourself and interesting

1518
01:09:32,329 --> 01:09:30,239
enough if you again if you do a google

1519
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:32,339
search there's a lot of pubs in england

1520
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:35,790
called the black dog and and one of the

1521
01:09:40,669 --> 01:09:38,250
reasons is because if you look back into

1522
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,679
the history of most of those black dog

1523
01:09:44,660 --> 01:09:42,960
pubs in england you'll find that there's

1524
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:44,670
a legend in that little village or that

1525
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:46,980
little town where there was a ghostly

1526
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:48,810
black dog and that's why they they named

1527
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:51,289
the pubs after them Sir

1528
01:09:55,569 --> 01:09:53,210
it's so fascinating now here's a

1529
01:09:59,229 --> 01:09:55,579
question this is from new guy who's

1530
01:10:02,609 --> 01:09:59,239
asking what about pod wedgies would you

1531
01:10:06,669 --> 01:10:02,619
say they would be classified as cryptids

1532
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:06,679
sorry hug wedgies have you heard of

1533
01:10:13,029 --> 01:10:11,510
those oh yeah well yeah I think you know

1534
01:10:16,060 --> 01:10:13,039
a lot the little people you mean that's

1535
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:16,070
kind of thing yeah but they're kind Asti

1536
01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:17,840
they call your name and they try to

1537
01:10:23,799 --> 01:10:21,260
trick you follow them and yeah no I

1538
01:10:25,689 --> 01:10:23,809
think actually you can personal I kind

1539
01:10:28,330 --> 01:10:25,699
of lump all those together your stories

1540
01:10:31,450 --> 01:10:28,340
of goblins fairies the little people you

1541
01:10:34,629 --> 01:10:31,460
know and it's important to know when

1542
01:10:36,540 --> 01:10:34,639
people talk about fairies today you know

1543
01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:36,550
they think of an image of like a little

1544
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:39,260
girl with wings flitting around a

1545
01:10:43,660 --> 01:10:41,210
Christmas tree you know and you know

1546
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,670
magic wand in a hand that sort of the

1547
01:10:48,819 --> 01:10:45,679
image of people had of fairies in the

1548
01:10:51,339 --> 01:10:48,829
last century or so but if you look at

1549
01:10:53,169 --> 01:10:51,349
these the real stories going back

1550
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:53,179
centuries they're actually nothing like

1551
01:10:57,870 --> 01:10:55,489
that they were described as sort of

1552
01:11:00,819 --> 01:10:57,880
little you know two to three foot tall

1553
01:11:03,339 --> 01:11:00,829
humanoid creatures which very often

1554
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,349
would come out at night they would live

1555
01:11:08,049 --> 01:11:05,840
deep underground in tunnels or under

1556
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:08,059
ancient mounds you know and they would

1557
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:11,329
steal food sometimes I would be friendly

1558
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:14,239
sometimes they would be kind of

1559
01:11:17,950 --> 01:11:16,610
ambivalence there could be tricks to

1560
01:11:20,290 --> 01:11:17,960
like and sometimes I'll be downright

1561
01:11:23,049 --> 01:11:20,300
dangerous and deadly depending on the

1562
01:11:24,939 --> 01:11:23,059
mood that took them but yeah I think all

1563
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,949
of these kind of things these sort of

1564
01:11:29,919 --> 01:11:27,199
little people that live in the woods and

1565
01:11:32,979 --> 01:11:29,929
kind in trance here and take you away

1566
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:32,989
and play games with you not in a good

1567
01:11:39,970 --> 01:11:36,409
way I mean and it's almost as if they

1568
01:11:41,379 --> 01:11:39,980
just enjoy taunting the human race but

1569
01:11:44,169 --> 01:11:41,389
again it's like some of the other things

1570
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:44,179
I spoke about earlier you start talking

1571
01:11:48,759 --> 01:11:45,530
about the little people they think about

1572
01:11:53,009 --> 01:11:48,769
fairies and record with Irish accents

1573
01:12:00,069 --> 01:11:56,379
the folklore version but stories are

1574
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,079
very sinister little people savage

1575
01:12:04,209 --> 01:12:02,480
little people can be found all over the

1576
01:12:05,380 --> 01:12:04,219
place I've actually got quite a few from

1577
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:05,390
the you

1578
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:06,710
particularly the forests of the

1579
01:12:12,010 --> 01:12:10,010
Northwest you know Washington State are

1580
01:12:13,870 --> 01:12:12,020
even places like that where I've got

1581
01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:13,880
several cases where people swore they

1582
01:12:19,090 --> 01:12:16,790
saw these little people these little

1583
01:12:21,850 --> 01:12:19,100
wise and creatures if you like and they

1584
01:12:23,770 --> 01:12:21,860
got a really sense of malevolence for

1585
01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:23,780
them the fact that you know they

1586
01:12:29,950 --> 01:12:27,590
somebody had stumble on them and one of

1587
01:12:31,690 --> 01:12:29,960
the guys I spoke to actually he was so

1588
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:31,700
affected by it that he sort of spent

1589
01:12:36,490 --> 01:12:34,310
years investigating these reports not

1590
01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:36,500
officially as a researcher but you know

1591
01:12:40,810 --> 01:12:38,360
just on his own for his own personal

1592
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:40,820
interests me he believed and still does

1593
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:43,490
believe that they were like some sort of

1594
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:46,400
ancient offshoot of us the human race

1595
01:12:52,660 --> 01:12:48,770
but Almond like a pygmy version that

1596
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:52,670
kind of thing yeah you know that leaves

1597
01:12:59,170 --> 01:12:56,450
outside of society but he's somehow an

1598
01:13:02,230 --> 01:12:59,180
ancient type of early humanoid if you

1599
01:13:03,970 --> 01:13:02,240
like let me take us back to men in black

1600
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:03,980
because I know that's also one of your

1601
01:13:06,670 --> 01:13:05,900
favorite topics and I know you did a

1602
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:06,680
book on it

1603
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:10,810
what do you think they are they androids

1604
01:13:24,220 --> 01:13:21,890
five books in a few months but it's kind

1605
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:24,230
of ironic that everybody thinks the

1606
01:13:28,690 --> 01:13:25,970
burning black of government agents and

1607
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:28,700
that comes really from the massive

1608
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:31,130
success of the movies but the movies

1609
01:13:35,290 --> 01:13:33,530
portrayed the man in black is working

1610
01:13:38,260 --> 01:13:35,300
for a government agency but as I said

1611
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:38,270
most people describe them as extremely

1612
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:40,130
pale you know the skins like a sheet of

1613
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:45,530
yes wearing makeup and stuff yeah number

1614
01:13:50,230 --> 01:13:48,560
of cases where you know people normally

1615
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:50,240
wouldn't let them in but people do let

1616
01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:51,920
their being late at night as if they're

1617
01:13:57,460 --> 01:13:54,440
being mind-controlled the cases where

1618
01:14:00,160 --> 01:13:57,470
people are fallen sick after being close

1619
01:14:01,780 --> 01:14:00,170
proximity to the man in black as if all

1620
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:01,790
they've been sort of supernaturally

1621
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:04,970
infected somehow in several cases where

1622
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:07,490
people had seen the men in black in

1623
01:14:11,710 --> 01:14:09,530
their bedroom late at night right after

1624
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:11,720
using Ouija boards as if they'd sort of

1625
01:14:17,050 --> 01:14:15,380
opened a portal or a doorway so in kind

1626
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:17,060
of ironic that the least likely

1627
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:18,130
explanation for

1628
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,110
man in black they said they come from

1629
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:22,719
the government the more the far more

1630
01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:25,480
likely explanation is that there's

1631
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:27,820
something supernatural which which are

1632
01:14:33,660 --> 01:14:29,650
tied in with things like the shadow

1633
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:33,670
people the black-eyed children and

1634
01:14:38,939 --> 01:14:36,070
there's another one known as the Hat man

1635
01:14:41,220 --> 01:14:38,949
and even when people talk today about

1636
01:14:44,459 --> 01:14:41,230
seeing the Slender Man which the Slender

1637
01:14:46,379 --> 01:14:44,469
Man kind of looks like a man in black as

1638
01:14:49,050 --> 01:14:46,389
well and I think all these things are

1639
01:14:51,689 --> 01:14:49,060
somehow interlinked you know they're all

1640
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:51,699
from manifestations of one phenomenon

1641
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,530
well I think one of the reasons people

1642
01:14:57,899 --> 01:14:55,360
think it's from a government agency is

1643
01:14:59,399 --> 01:14:57,909
because people get visits from the men

1644
01:15:01,649 --> 01:14:59,409
in black after they've had a UFO

1645
01:15:03,870 --> 01:15:01,659
experience and is threatened by them and

1646
01:15:05,850 --> 01:15:03,880
told not to talk about it so there it

1647
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:05,860
does beg the question of why would they

1648
01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:08,170
say that if they weren't with an agency

1649
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:11,710
or some yeah one of the theories is that

1650
01:15:16,110 --> 01:15:14,350
you know it's the phenomenon the UFO

1651
01:15:18,270 --> 01:15:16,120
phenomenon itself that what doesn't want

1652
01:15:20,879 --> 01:15:18,280
to be uncovered and so they send out

1653
01:15:24,270 --> 01:15:20,889
their own agency if you like so in other

1654
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:24,280
words they are some sort of agents but

1655
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:34,449
they're not necessarily our I never want

1656
01:15:42,930 --> 01:15:40,480
to see them they sound repulsive women

1657
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:42,940
in black reports and under women are

1658
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:44,800
kind of the same where their skin is

1659
01:15:50,490 --> 01:15:47,530
very pale but where is the man in black

1660
01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:50,500
where these old-style black fedoras the

1661
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:53,020
women usually have these long black wigs

1662
01:15:58,500 --> 01:15:56,650
like in a bang style and this has given

1663
01:16:00,419 --> 01:15:58,510
rise to the idea that again the women in

1664
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:00,429
black don't look entirely human because

1665
01:16:04,050 --> 01:16:02,170
you know like try and cover as much of

1666
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:04,060
the face as they can with these wigs and

1667
01:16:09,450 --> 01:16:07,840
they also wear the big sunglasses and

1668
01:16:11,550 --> 01:16:09,460
people said as they've been close to

1669
01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:11,560
them they've noticed you know the cats

1670
01:16:16,260 --> 01:16:14,020
that their eyes are almost like cat eyes

1671
01:16:22,350 --> 01:16:16,270
that bulging you know like a vertical

1672
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:22,360
slit kind of thing so wow they look like

1673
01:16:31,949 --> 01:16:25,210
a the far less x-files and for far more

1674
01:16:35,250 --> 01:16:33,629
now Nick we would love for you to come

1675
01:16:37,109 --> 01:16:35,260
back when your new book comes out about

1676
01:16:39,179 --> 01:16:37,119
the med lab would you promise to do that

1677
01:16:41,459 --> 01:16:39,189
yeah I've actually got one out before

1678
01:16:43,949 --> 01:16:41,469
that the next book I've got coming out

1679
01:16:45,589 --> 01:16:43,959
comes out in February and it's actually

1680
01:16:48,350 --> 01:16:45,599
a full-length study of the whole

1681
01:16:53,310 --> 01:16:48,360
Slenderman phenomenon it's a slender

1682
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:53,320
back to that one yeah well thank you so

1683
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,090
much for joining us tonight this has

1684
01:17:09,299 --> 01:16:57,760
been so delightful you've scared us

1685
01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:09,309
after death your address and just as a

1686
01:17:26,370 --> 01:17:12,550
joke like come you know what nice and

1687
01:17:28,890 --> 01:17:26,380
knock on the door by midnight just my

1688
01:17:31,229 --> 01:17:28,900
headphones are just flying off my head

1689
01:17:34,229 --> 01:17:31,239
tonight anyways shapeshifters morphing

1690
01:17:36,899 --> 01:17:34,239
monsters and changing cryptids by Nick

1691
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:36,909
Redfern it's a great book everybody make

1692
01:17:42,029 --> 01:17:38,650
sure you get it we'll be back next week

1693
01:17:44,189 --> 01:17:42,039
with another terrific show yeah so be

1694
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:44,199
sure to join us again and until then

1695
01:17:48,540 --> 01:17:46,510
we'll see you on the blue highway good